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		<title>By: Blargon 7</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blargon 7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Itai:
Many nazi sympateurs were brutally mobbed after the war, this goes especially to those who worked for them publicly as social servants, women who had boyfriends among the german occupiers, and the eventual children of those relationships.
However, there were also those who escaped the public notice, such silent cowards who supported the germans. (And then acted like they'd been the original "boys in the woods" after the war.) It was difficult during the war, as households and families could become split between sympathizers and oppositionists. I personally know of a story from my local community where a family who was on good relations with the germans became subject of extreme "revenge" and alienation after the war. 
As the official story goes, after someone came and told him to come with them, the father, a professional marksman, walked into the woods shot himself twice in the head with a handgun, dropped the gun, walked 30 meters and died. An obvious suicide.
At his funeral one of the freedom-fighter groups that had operated in the region came to show their respect. Why? Because the man had been an informant who used his relations with the occupying forces to get said information. And why was he killed? Because stupid people remain ignorant of these facts.

Ha-emet:
Curb your hysteria. Anti-semitism is as widespread in Norway as our muslim immigrants' plans to take over our government. The only case of anti-semitism, (if it can be called that,) I can recall lately is the one where a jew was beaten up by a muslim. (Who, apparently, was in turn angry for the actions of Israel, and decided to take it out on someone who has nothing to do with the country, go figure.) And historically, on account of Norway being OCCUPIED by NAZI forces, many inhabitants were understandably angry, and so twarthed some of the deportations by sneaking the jews, and other people who were deported, away. (Police forces were also included in this, but had to be very careful since they were being closely watched by their superiors.)
If by growing anti-semitism you mean that people don't like Israeli policies, then yes, anti-semitism is growing. If you mean by growing anti-semitism, actual growing anti-semitism, then no, there isn't. I'm sorry I had to be the one to tell you this, but people just don't care.

On the article:

"We laugh at this people's fancies and weep over its misdeeds..."
Actually I do this. I laugh at people who believe in sillyness. Don't you? Take for example when the giraffe thought the zebra was hidden in the hole in the ground in that movie that I found moderately entertaining. What a silly giraffe, surely the zebra could not hide in such a tiny hole! Oh, what a thrill to see him believe that the zebra could fit in a hole that is obviously too small for a zebra!
Seriously, if you think jews are hurt because you find their beliefs stupid or funny or unbelieveable, think again. They don't care. 

"so israelis are child killers in the name of their god…"
No. The statement is that there is no divine or HISTORICAL excuse/mandate for the killing of innocent children (or civilians, for that matter).
But thank you for illustrating how we can pull the worst anti-semitic meaning of a written phrase. Also, if you read the sentence it says:
"We call child murderers 'child murderers' and will never accept that such have a divine or historic mandate excusing their outrages." (Notice it says 'we call child murderers child murderers', not 'we call jews child murderers'.)
And if you disagree that there is not a historic or divine mandate for child murder, then I guess there's bigger problems in this world than anti-semitism.

"behold gaardner's prophecy..."
Uh, you ARE aware that the opinion piece was shaped after the words of the prophet Amos? 

"a call for action. i appreciate his call for mercy for the civilian population of israel. some collateral damage probably can not be avoided, but probably a small price to pay for the destruction of israel."
Are you trying to make this sound like I think it sounds? Like this:
"a call for action. I appreciate Israels call for mercy for the civilian population of Lebanon. Some collateral damage probably can not be avoided, but probably a small price to pay for the destruction of hezbollah."
Because if you are, it's pretty funny. If it's not though... Well, it's still kinda funny.

"zionists=terrorists. this equation has been true for over 2,000 years"
Yup. Exactly what gaarder meant. This is a fact like muslim = terrorist is a fact.

"this paragraph is so good..."
Let me spell this paragraph out for you:
"We do not believe that Israel mourns forty killed Lebanese children more than it for over three thousand years has lamented forty years in the desert."
Ok, so 40 years in the desert was tough, right? According to my jewish sources, those 40 years were a necessary trial. A necessary evil to be overcome. So I would think the meaning here is that in gaarders point of view, Israel, or it's government, would see the death of 40 children to be a necessary evil to be overcome.
The rest is pretty much reference to old texts for which I have no interest.

"judaism is a religion of war. in great contrast..."
Yes if there's one thing we don't want, it's to learn from history. Come on, you can do better than this. How many wars has Norway started after 1906? And, yes, I know that we live in a more stable corner of the world, but that is beside the point. (Since it is the claim of gaarder that Israel carries its own blame in the conflicts we're seeing.)
You see, the "you peed your pants 15 years ago, so you should still wear dipers" argument is flawed, and nothing else.

""we" have been humanists for the past 2,000 years (maybe some..."
It is no mistake that the history of europe fraught with conflict. Which could be why gaarders statement read: "For 2000 years we have REHEARSED the syllabus of humanism..."
You know. Rehearsal. The refinement of our knowledge on a subject.

"zionists=nazis "
"whites=racist/anti-semite/neo-nazi/corporate business owner/rich" yada yada yada.

"unfortunately "we" may have..."
The rest of this is becoming ridiculous, although since you apparently was not aware that the opinion piece was modeled after the words of Amos, some shepherd prophet of some place I don't care about, I guess you couldn't be expected to notice the similarities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Itai:<br />
Many nazi sympateurs were brutally mobbed after the war, this goes especially to those who worked for them publicly as social servants, women who had boyfriends among the german occupiers, and the eventual children of those relationships.<br />
However, there were also those who escaped the public notice, such silent cowards who supported the germans. (And then acted like they&#8217;d been the original &#8220;boys in the woods&#8221; after the war.) It was difficult during the war, as households and families could become split between sympathizers and oppositionists. I personally know of a story from my local community where a family who was on good relations with the germans became subject of extreme &#8220;revenge&#8221; and alienation after the war.<br />
As the official story goes, after someone came and told him to come with them, the father, a professional marksman, walked into the woods shot himself twice in the head with a handgun, dropped the gun, walked 30 meters and died. An obvious suicide.<br />
At his funeral one of the freedom-fighter groups that had operated in the region came to show their respect. Why? Because the man had been an informant who used his relations with the occupying forces to get said information. And why was he killed? Because stupid people remain ignorant of these facts.</p>
<p>Ha-emet:<br />
Curb your hysteria. Anti-semitism is as widespread in Norway as our muslim immigrants&#8217; plans to take over our government. The only case of anti-semitism, (if it can be called that,) I can recall lately is the one where a jew was beaten up by a muslim. (Who, apparently, was in turn angry for the actions of Israel, and decided to take it out on someone who has nothing to do with the country, go figure.) And historically, on account of Norway being OCCUPIED by NAZI forces, many inhabitants were understandably angry, and so twarthed some of the deportations by sneaking the jews, and other people who were deported, away. (Police forces were also included in this, but had to be very careful since they were being closely watched by their superiors.)<br />
If by growing anti-semitism you mean that people don&#8217;t like Israeli policies, then yes, anti-semitism is growing. If you mean by growing anti-semitism, actual growing anti-semitism, then no, there isn&#8217;t. I&#8217;m sorry I had to be the one to tell you this, but people just don&#8217;t care.</p>
<p>On the article:</p>
<p>&#8220;We laugh at this people&#8217;s fancies and weep over its misdeeds&#8230;&#8221;<br />
Actually I do this. I laugh at people who believe in sillyness. Don&#8217;t you? Take for example when the giraffe thought the zebra was hidden in the hole in the ground in that movie that I found moderately entertaining. What a silly giraffe, surely the zebra could not hide in such a tiny hole! Oh, what a thrill to see him believe that the zebra could fit in a hole that is obviously too small for a zebra!<br />
Seriously, if you think jews are hurt because you find their beliefs stupid or funny or unbelieveable, think again. They don&#8217;t care. </p>
<p>&#8220;so israelis are child killers in the name of their god…&#8221;<br />
No. The statement is that there is no divine or HISTORICAL excuse/mandate for the killing of innocent children (or civilians, for that matter).<br />
But thank you for illustrating how we can pull the worst anti-semitic meaning of a written phrase. Also, if you read the sentence it says:<br />
&#8220;We call child murderers &#8216;child murderers&#8217; and will never accept that such have a divine or historic mandate excusing their outrages.&#8221; (Notice it says &#8216;we call child murderers child murderers&#8217;, not &#8216;we call jews child murderers&#8217;.)<br />
And if you disagree that there is not a historic or divine mandate for child murder, then I guess there&#8217;s bigger problems in this world than anti-semitism.</p>
<p>&#8220;behold gaardner&#8217;s prophecy&#8230;&#8221;<br />
Uh, you ARE aware that the opinion piece was shaped after the words of the prophet Amos? </p>
<p>&#8220;a call for action. i appreciate his call for mercy for the civilian population of israel. some collateral damage probably can not be avoided, but probably a small price to pay for the destruction of israel.&#8221;<br />
Are you trying to make this sound like I think it sounds? Like this:<br />
&#8220;a call for action. I appreciate Israels call for mercy for the civilian population of Lebanon. Some collateral damage probably can not be avoided, but probably a small price to pay for the destruction of hezbollah.&#8221;<br />
Because if you are, it&#8217;s pretty funny. If it&#8217;s not though&#8230; Well, it&#8217;s still kinda funny.</p>
<p>&#8220;zionists=terrorists. this equation has been true for over 2,000 years&#8221;<br />
Yup. Exactly what gaarder meant. This is a fact like muslim = terrorist is a fact.</p>
<p>&#8220;this paragraph is so good&#8230;&#8221;<br />
Let me spell this paragraph out for you:<br />
&#8220;We do not believe that Israel mourns forty killed Lebanese children more than it for over three thousand years has lamented forty years in the desert.&#8221;<br />
Ok, so 40 years in the desert was tough, right? According to my jewish sources, those 40 years were a necessary trial. A necessary evil to be overcome. So I would think the meaning here is that in gaarders point of view, Israel, or it&#8217;s government, would see the death of 40 children to be a necessary evil to be overcome.<br />
The rest is pretty much reference to old texts for which I have no interest.</p>
<p>&#8220;judaism is a religion of war. in great contrast&#8230;&#8221;<br />
Yes if there&#8217;s one thing we don&#8217;t want, it&#8217;s to learn from history. Come on, you can do better than this. How many wars has Norway started after 1906? And, yes, I know that we live in a more stable corner of the world, but that is beside the point. (Since it is the claim of gaarder that Israel carries its own blame in the conflicts we&#8217;re seeing.)<br />
You see, the &#8220;you peed your pants 15 years ago, so you should still wear dipers&#8221; argument is flawed, and nothing else.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;we&#8221; have been humanists for the past 2,000 years (maybe some&#8230;&#8221;<br />
It is no mistake that the history of europe fraught with conflict. Which could be why gaarders statement read: &#8220;For 2000 years we have REHEARSED the syllabus of humanism&#8230;&#8221;<br />
You know. Rehearsal. The refinement of our knowledge on a subject.</p>
<p>&#8220;zionists=nazis &#8221;<br />
&#8220;whites=racist/anti-semite/neo-nazi/corporate business owner/rich&#8221; yada yada yada.</p>
<p>&#8220;unfortunately &#8220;we&#8221; may have&#8230;&#8221;<br />
The rest of this is becoming ridiculous, although since you apparently was not aware that the opinion piece was modeled after the words of Amos, some shepherd prophet of some place I don&#8217;t care about, I guess you couldn&#8217;t be expected to notice the similarities.</p>
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		<title>By: Ha-emet</title>
		<link>http://www.biasedopinions.org/2006/08/10/21st-century-antisemitism-served-norwegian-style/#comment-369</link>
		<dc:creator>Ha-emet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 06:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jostein Gaarder is only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the seriosly and dangerously increasing anti-semitism on the left in norway.

As a Norwegian Jew i am considering to seek political asylum if this is not dealt with soon, at least now we have Israel to flee to when the Norwegian police come to "deport" us again like they did in the 1940's!

By comparison at least Mel Gibson was absolutelly wasted when he came with his anti semitic remaks , I doubt Herr. Gaarder was when he wrote his "protocol of the elders of Zion" !</description>
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<p>As a Norwegian Jew i am considering to seek political asylum if this is not dealt with soon, at least now we have Israel to flee to when the Norwegian police come to &#8220;deport&#8221; us again like they did in the 1940&#8217;s!</p>
<p>By comparison at least Mel Gibson was absolutelly wasted when he came with his anti semitic remaks , I doubt Herr. Gaarder was when he wrote his &#8220;protocol of the elders of Zion&#8221; !</p>
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		<title>By: Sirocco</title>
		<link>http://www.biasedopinions.org/2006/08/10/21st-century-antisemitism-served-norwegian-style/#comment-308</link>
		<dc:creator>Sirocco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 13:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marius asserts that my translation is "totally wrong," but does not substantiate this claim.

The translation was done fairly quickly and posted before the major brouhaha began. In hindsight I can see a room for improvement here and there, but mostly on details; e.g. the Norwegian 'griller' could be rendered 'obsessions' rather than 'fancies' (the latter being suggested by a standard dictionary). The expression 'jamret over' is more accurately be rendered 'wailed over' than the term I used, 'lamented'. That said the translation certainly isn't "totally wrong."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marius asserts that my translation is &#8220;totally wrong,&#8221; but does not substantiate this claim.</p>
<p>The translation was done fairly quickly and posted before the major brouhaha began. In hindsight I can see a room for improvement here and there, but mostly on details; e.g. the Norwegian &#8216;griller&#8217; could be rendered &#8216;obsessions&#8217; rather than &#8216;fancies&#8217; (the latter being suggested by a standard dictionary). The expression &#8216;jamret over&#8217; is more accurately be rendered &#8216;wailed over&#8217; than the term I used, &#8216;lamented&#8217;. That said the translation certainly isn&#8217;t &#8220;totally wrong.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: itai</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 23:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to mention that there was a whole Norwegian volunteers SS division. I don't know how Norway treated its SS "veterans" after the war. Did they go to prison? Maybe Marius can answer.
Btw Marius, why do you think Israel acts on account of WW2?
When the UK and U.S. fight in Iraq it's on account of WW2? NATO in serbia? Vietnam? France in Algire? All those were "nicer" wars? Less civilian casualties? Maybe if you'll keep comparing Israel to the Nazis you'll be able to clean your consciousness?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to mention that there was a whole Norwegian volunteers SS division. I don&#8217;t know how Norway treated its SS &#8220;veterans&#8221; after the war. Did they go to prison? Maybe Marius can answer.<br />
Btw Marius, why do you think Israel acts on account of WW2?<br />
When the UK and U.S. fight in Iraq it&#8217;s on account of WW2? NATO in serbia? Vietnam? France in Algire? All those were &#8220;nicer&#8221; wars? Less civilian casualties? Maybe if you&#8217;ll keep comparing Israel to the Nazis you&#8217;ll be able to clean your consciousness?</p>
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		<title>By: avneron</title>
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		<dc:creator>avneron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 22:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you are welcomed to offer a different translation. the blogger who translated the text is far from being sympathetic to israel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you are welcomed to offer a different translation. the blogger who translated the text is far from being sympathetic to israel.</p>
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		<title>By: Marius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 19:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The translation of this text are totaly wrong. You cant understand the meaning og the text if you dont read it in Norwegian. Gaarder is not a rasist. He only wanted to express that he is against the war, and that Israel cant do what ever they want, on account for the WW2. If Gaarder cant mix Jews and Israel in his text, then should not mix their country and religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The translation of this text are totaly wrong. You cant understand the meaning og the text if you dont read it in Norwegian. Gaarder is not a rasist. He only wanted to express that he is against the war, and that Israel cant do what ever they want, on account for the WW2. If Gaarder cant mix Jews and Israel in his text, then should not mix their country and religion.</p>
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